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AT Have Your Say South East

Ian Crook

Ian Crook

Senior Member
I wonder how many of the moaners and groaners will get off their backsides and attend:

The next Angling Trust South East Forum will be held on

November 28th 2013

at

Rowfant House
Wallage Lane
Rowfant, Crawley
West Sussex, RH10 4NG

Tea and Coffee will be served at 6.30 and the meeting will begin at 7.00pm
There is ample parking onsite.

The agenda will include the following subjects:

New Cormorant Licensing Regime Details
Volunteer Bailiff Service and Enforcement Update
River Fish Stocks - Have your say

As well as the presentations there will also be plenty of opportunity for anglers to contribute to the discussion.

This meeting is a fantastic chance for anglers and angling clubs to meet Angling Trust and Environment Agency Staff, hear our plans for combatting poaching and improving your waters and ask the key questions you would like answered.

If you have any key issues you would like to raise or have added to the agenda, please contact John Cheyne at the email address below.

The event is FREE to attend and is open to all. If you would like to attend please register by contacting our Regions Co-ordinator by email john.cheyne@anglingtrust.net

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Ian,

"I wonder how many of the moaners and groaners will get off their backsides and attend".

The inference here is that if you do not attend then you do not care. This is not the case. There are many of us who believe that until the Angling Trust also represents the Salmon and Trout brigade then they will be ineffectual. If Cormorants were decimating Salmon stocks we would have been legally blasting them out of the skies years ago.

If a body is to represent the interests of angling in this country then it needs to represent all of us.
 
Steve Stringer said:
Ian,

"I wonder how many of the moaners and groaners will get off their backsides and attend".

The inference here is that if you do not attend then you do not care. This is not the case. There are many of us who believe that until the Angling Trust also represents the Salmon and Trout brigade then they will be ineffectual. If Cormorants were decimating Salmon stocks we would have been legally blasting them out of the skies years ago.

If a body is to represent the interests of angling in this country then it needs to represent all of us.
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Probably the most meaningless post I have seen for years, the Angling Trust has represented Trout and Salmon Anglers since it's inception!!

Anyhow, the question was, instead of moaning and groaning on forums, expecting others to do the do so they can just go fishing, will anglers in the South East attend the meeting? They don't even need to be AT members or pay an entrance fee!!
 
Well I'm not a AT member and I don't sit on my backside and I do criticise the AT from time to time. I'm a big believer in the work that the River Trusts do which actually dwarfs anything the AT do for rivers and they receive my support in practical and financial terms. That's why they are featured as my homepage on my website.

The S&TA won't be joining the AT Steve have no fear about that.

Regards,

Lee.
 
Ian,

Its the S&TA who truly represent Salmon and Trout anglers. The AT don't come remotely close to the work that the S&TA do. Or the Wild Trout Trust for that matter.

Regards,

Lee.
 
For me, any trust, comity or society who try and promote angling are all good in my eyes. Ian I will try and attend, unfortunately its very close to Christmas and with family commitments it might be hard for some. Thanks Matt
 
Gents,

I am not pushing the AT at all here, just simply pointing out that there is a forum here, open to all, where people can go, get together, voice their concerns, etc... but I would bet it will be the same faces as usual.

I won't be there by the way ;)
 
Ian,

"Probably the most meaningless post I have seen for years, the Angling Trust has represented Trout and Salmon Anglers since it's inception!!"

How can you call my post meaningless. You are the one who is incorrect, it's the S&TA that represents game angling not the AT. Or do you think game anglers are represented twice to be on the safe side? It's been said over and over again.........until there is a SINGLE body that represents ALL angling in this country that is compulsorily funded by the anglers themselves we will never have a body who is strong enough to take on the issues that affect all of us. Until them its going to be divide and conquer.

Is that meaningless enough for you?
 
Why on earth would the S&TA want to join with the angling trust one knows what its doing the other? well.

The trust are currently crowing about the success of their match on the Wye sponsored by Thames Water and Severn Trent 2 of the biggest polluters of our rivers.
 
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I've just had a look at ongoing cases that Fish Legal are pursuing Our Cases
...looks to me as though they are representing the broad church!
Freshwater anglers already pay into one body [ the EA ], whose policies don't always seem in keeping with angler's best interests.
The regional river trusts and local catchment consultatives do a good job, but I still consider the AT to be one of the angling world's positives in recent times.

Ian...thanks for flagging up next weeks meet,.. as its on my doorstep I've got no choice but to turn up and make a nuisance of myself! Pity it starts so early though.
 
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Steve Stringer said:
Ian,

"Probably the most meaningless post I have seen for years, the Angling Trust has represented Trout and Salmon Anglers since it's inception!!"

How can you call my post meaningless. You are the one who is incorrect, it's the S&TA that represents game angling not the AT. Or do you think game anglers are represented twice to be on the safe side? It's been said over and over again.........until there is a SINGLE body that represents ALL angling in this country that is compulsorily funded by the anglers themselves we will never have a body who is strong enough to take on the issues that affect all of us. Until them its going to be divide and conquer.

Is that meaningless enough for you?
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Yes, completely meaningless, here is a chance for anglers to voice opinion somewhere other than a forum. Fish legal does as much work for Salmon and Trout Waters as it does for coarse.

Chew Valley, Rutland Water, Grafham Water, River Wye, Test, etc have the same if not bigger issues with Cormorants, predation, etc as our local gravel pits so I really do not see where you are coming from or why your response to a meeting where coarse anglers can have their say is one of attack on the Angling Trust.
 
Ian,

As you can see from replies to this thread anglers have differing opinions as to the AT. Let's just leave it at that shall we?
 
Steve Stringer said:
Ian,

As you can see from replies to this thread anglers have differing opinions as to the AT. Let's just leave it at that shall we?
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Happy to leave a pointless discussion but WILL push again for the rest of the South East anglers that there is a great opportunity to voice your opinion, regardless of what you think of the angling trust, open to members AND non members.

If you do not believe the AT is addressing the right points, etc then you can even tell them so, rather than telling me ;)
 
As a neutral, as far as i can see, all Ian said was, there is an OPEN meeting, for ALL who want to attend, MEMBERS of AT or NOT, FREE OF CHARGE, to voice their opinions, and he gets slated for it. Some of you ( moaners and groaners), need to get a grip, take a good look at yourselves before ripping into others.
 
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I would urge anyone who thinks the AT does little for angling to take 5 minutes to look at their website. Fish legal alone have archieved amazing things for several decades. Do they do everything I want them to ? No. Do they do some things I don't like ? Yes. That's something i accept as its not actually the Nick Coulthurst Trust, is it ? The AT does represent salmon and trout angling, a quick look at their website will confirm this also. It has not managed to persuade the S&TA to join them, true, which is a shame, but given the fact that coarse anglers are the largest body within angling in terms of numbers, it shouldn't prevent the AT from becoming a formidable force. Unfortunately it does though, because coarse anglers are a pretty useless bunch.
Cormorants don't discriminate between fish Steve, they eat salmon parr and trout along with all other fish. Achieving a result on the cormorant issue is never going to be easy given the opposition - the RSPB are a well funded, numerically well supported slick outfit. The AT need more members and more dosh, it's as simple as that.
If not the AT, then why not join one of the Rivers Trusts as Lee suggests, or attend the meeting mentioned by Ian.


Nick C
 
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The trust are currently crowing about the success of their match on the Wye sponsored by Thames Water and Severn Trent 2 of the biggest polluters of our rivers.[/QUOTE]

I'm no fan of the EA it is them that decide what ST and other water companies can do and the decline in fishing on our rivers since their inception is phenomenal. The route cause of most issues.

On the AT I have fished the Wye for 20 years and can see a decline, steadily, now gathering pace. I went to see a couple of friends who were fishing last weekend and tried to talk to some of the AT hierarchy who simply wanted to crow about the 'success of the competition'. Not what I saw. A perfect river producing patchy fishing a shadow of only a couple of years ago. A comment that it was the only venue they would consider for a final, is a sad reflection of the state of our rivers. A few years ago Shrewsbury, Bewdley, Stourport, go on the Trent, it could have been fantastic. How about Evesham? The Witham/ You could go on. Now it is the only place apparantly.

As anglers game coarse specialist whatever niche you fall into we must unite, that is obvious, game anglers can get public opinion with the general publics view of salmon and trout and clean rivers - a view often exploited by the EA. Couple that with the numbers and potential financial clout of the coarse angling masses and we stand a chance.
 
AT regional meeting - southeast

I was glad to attend the AT meeting last thursday,which I thought was both well organised and presented.
Splitting all the tables into separate forums allowed everyone to have their 10 pence worth.
Not having attended an AT meeting before I was surprised that there were so many EA reps there,..and was not always sure if I was having a rant at AT or EA personel!...The important factor being that I was at least able to air my club's grieviences,.[and a few of my own !].
I used to attend consultative meetings back in the nineties and am not so naive as to be won over by the usual enthusiasm that often abounds at these meetings. I used to accumulate enough paper in the form of directives and catchment plans to pile high and use to sit on! Despite the best efforts of those who run the consultatives, I believe much of the river habitat to be worse now than 20 years ago.
Despite my cynicism, I am personaly pleased to give my support to the AT at present and see if they really can make a difference, .the proof of the pudding is in the eating though.
As an aside,..there were a few fluff chuckers there on the night,.along with river trust and wild trout personel.:)
 
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