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Another Rant

Which brings us back to "Kill them", bring back the birch AND National Service, spare the rod - spoil the child, repatriate the otters etc...

Devotees of such stuff will find solace in articles like this - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/8630817/The-rod-has-been-spared-for-far-too-long.html - appearing with perfect timing in today's Telegraph.

Sorry, but you can't thrash "good behaviour" into anyone - you couldn't do it in the rosy-tinted past, you can't now - for you might get a brief cowed silence, but then get far far worse conduct-wise when that silence is broken.
 
What a thoroughly depressing thread from start to finish. I can see the points of both sides of the fence but can't understand why anyone would think that attacking each other is a good thing. Why is it that a discussion that doesn't end up with polar opposite, entrenched views coming to the fore is nigh on impossible on here?

Some people need to accept that there are multitudes of muppets out there. I dare say that some manage to sneak on here too. Many of those that I think are fools will think the same of me, I can live with that. Others need to accept that people will be offended by muppets but may, for many reasons, feel unable to do much about it beyond a quick whine on places like this. I regularly see things that I don't like or even break the law. I may even have a moan about it. However, I'm not out there trying to educate people, arrest them or shop them. I've got neither the time, inclination or bravery/stupidity. Good luck to those that have.
 
If the water Julian writes of is the one I think it is, then I can understand his concerns.
The venue is not without suitable places to return fish, so there is no real excuse for not doing it properly, and if the angler in question has had his catches publicised then he has a duty of care to not only “do it “ properly but be seen to do it properly!

I too don’t like to get my feet wet but if needs must then I am happy to stand in the water and ensure that my fish are returned as safely and securely as is possible, this happened to me last February having stupidly worn “the wrong boots†I had to fish on for several hours with wet cold feet, unpleasant in itself, made doubly so by endless witty banter from my so called “friends and companionsâ€, mind you had the boot been on the other foot (sorry!!) I might well have mentioned it too!

For me the safety of the fish is of paramount importance, when I catch a Barbel I leave the fish in the landing net for several minuets, with out even lifting the net out, as I have said before I would not like to hold my breath for any amount of time having just run a 100yards and I don’t expect my fish to either.
This makes them a bit lively for weighing and photo’s which can all be sorted out and ready when the fish comes out of the water, thus reducing the time the fish takes on the bank!
It also means they tend to recover immediately, even so I hold them in a current, if possible, until they are struggling strongly so that when I release them I often receive a face full of water!

As experienced anglers it is our job to show the right way to do things, in Julian’s situation I too would have gotten involved, as I stated on another thread it IS our place to educate and inform!

I seem to get recognised where ever I fish these days, I therefore see it as my duty to promote good angling practice where ever and when ever I can, perhaps the angler Julian encountered should have a long hard look at what he does and the way in which he does it, the cost of publicity is recognition, where ever he fishes the microscope will be on him for both good and bad!
 
Another spot on post Keith, and one that mirrors my views precisely!:)
 
For me the safety of the fish is of paramount importance, when I catch a Barbel I leave the fish in the landing net for several minuets, with out even lifting the net out, as I have said before I would not like to hold my breath for any amount of time having just run a 100yards and I don’t expect my fish to either.
This makes them a bit lively for weighing and photo’s which can all be sorted out and ready when the fish comes out of the water, thus reducing the time the fish takes on the bank!
It also means they tend to recover immediately, even so I hold them in a current, if possible, until they are struggling strongly so that when I release them I often receive a face full of water!



Mine also, Keith, though it can still get you shafted!

Back in the winter of 2006 I was fishing a London river in high water, on a club bit (club since dropped), when a (not very well-equipped) Committee Member put in an appearance and engaged me in conversation.

A conversation which didn't last long, for my rod nodded a couple of times, then went.

Good fight, Speedia screaming as a barbel went down, then came back up and continued going on up, then back down again, then eventually, after a long midriver tussle, over and into my big triangle of a net.

He watched me unhook it in the net, throw the lead and hook away into the bankside rushes, then secure the end of my landing net handle to a bankstick with a velcro strip and leave the barbel in the water for a full fifteen minutes, during which I chatted to the fellow as I wetted my weighing sling, wetted the plastic-covered foam pad that was doing the job of my seat, powered -up and zeroed the little Jennings digitals, all the time aware of his foot-shifting, declining quantity of conversation and increasing look of suspicion his face.

He then finally virtually ordered me to return the barbel.

So out it came. Weighed (10-02), measured and straight back, with he producing a camera and pointing it at me - "Sorry, I don't do photos..."

His face dropped.

Twenty minutes later, having packed up, I said "Bye bye, XXXX" as I passed him fishing a swim forty yards below me. He didn't look up and round at me, but merely merely corrected my "XXX" to the full version of his name.

So much for a nice morning's fishing and real nice fish care, I mused.

My capture was reported on the local grapevine, discussed in a tackleshop or two, with me getting coolness and dirty looks when I returned to that water a week later after fishing elsewhere.

Dropped that club. Don't barbel fish now where the Sport Police prowl.
 
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as I stated on another thread it IS our place to educate and inform!

Don't get me wrong, I'll help anyone the best I can, if they ask. However, I'm not going to intervene just for the hell of it. Too great a chance of getting chucked in, beaten or even knifed for your troubles. Some people simply don't want to be informed or educated in any way shape or form.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'll help anyone the best I can, if they ask. However, I'm not going to intervene just for the hell of it. Too great a chance of getting chucked in, beaten or even knifed for your troubles. Some people simply don't want to be informed or educated in any way shape or form.

Beaten and knifed and thrown to the fish? Well I'll take my chances, but I suppose it's how you approach people that is all important, without ranting at them but with a mature approach will often have them eating out of your hands, and as a plus a lesson learned.
To turn away, not get involved is a cop out and just another reason society is in a mess in some places, if WE don't educate WHO will?
 
Mine also, Keith, though it can still get you shafted!

Back in the winter of 2006 I was fishing a London river in high water, on a club bit (club since dropped), when a (not very well-equipped) Committee Member put in an appearance and engaged me in conversation.

A conversation which didn't last long, for my rod nodded a couple of times, then went.

Good fight, Speedia screaming as a barbel went down, then came back up and continued going on up, then back down again, then eventually, after a long midriver tussle, over and into my big triangle of a net.

He watched me unhook it in the net, throw the lead and hook away into the bankside rushes, then secure the end of my landing net handle to a bankstick with a velcro strip and leave the barbel in the water for a full fifteen minutes, during which I chatted to the fellow as I wetted my weighing sling, wetted the plastic-covered foam pad that was doing the job of my seat, powered -up and zeroed the little Jennings digitals, all the time aware of his foot-shifting, declining quantity of conversation and increasing look of suspicion his face.

He then finally virtually ordered me to return the barbel.

So out it came. Weighed (10-02), measured and straight back, with he producing a camera and pointing it at me - "Sorry, I don't do photos..."

His face dropped.

Twenty minutes later, having packed up, I said "Bye bye, XXXX" as I passed him fishing a swim forty yards below me. He didn't look up and round at me, but merely merely corrected my "XXX" to the full version of his name.

So much for a nice morning's fishing and real nice fish care, I mused.

My capture was reported on the local grapevine, discussed in a tackleshop or two, with me getting coolness and dirty looks when I returned to that water a week later after fishing elsewhere.

Dropped that club. Don't barbel fish now where the Sport Police prowl.

One of the easier to read of your posts Paul, but I don't really see why you met with such hostlity? Was it jealousy or lack of appreciation that you had handled the barbel correctly?
 
Probably both...

Salmon & sea-trout, trout & grayling, bass, mullet, barbel, mahseer, Goliath, sea-trout again (foreign this time), barbel again, sticklebacks next probably..
 
if this chap was in a weekly a while ago, then maybe he is sponsored in one way or the other, would it not be an idea to name n shame, the he'll probably think again next time.

Neil, that is not really my style. It did get a little over the top, it did nearly come to blows (he was at least 10 years younger and a damn sight fitter!:eek:), and he was antagonistic which made me angry and then accused me of walking away after 'trying to start a fight', at which point i put my tackle down walked back to him and asked him if that was what he wanted while he held onto his landing net pole. My point was made and i am sure if he reads this he will think, 'that was that arsehole i met the other evening'. Now i have calmed down somewhat i could probably have a laugh with him about it providing he adopts a more careful approach to returning fish especially in hot humid weather. It is not my normal approach to people and as the title of the thread stated, was a rant.

As for people in the weeklies, that is something else for others to discuss. I have already said elsewhere what i think about those who publicise venues or captures in these comics except to say that big carp and big barbel are totally different games, to me at least, and i hope for that to continue for as long as is possible.

And if only one person who has read this 'thread' has challenged or educated a fellow river angler on poor practise then i feel it has been worthwhile.
 
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Beaten and knifed and thrown to the fish? Well I'll take my chances, but I suppose it's how you approach people that is all important, without ranting at them but with a mature approach will often have them eating out of your hands, and as a plus a lesson learned.
To turn away, not get involved is a cop out and just another reason society is in a mess in some places, if WE don't educate WHO will?

Neil,
there's a member on here that took a kicking in such a scenario. I'll not be taking my chances. If someone wants help or advice they'll have to ask for it. I'm perfectly approachable on the bank.
All this talk of intervening when bad practise is seen, offering unsolicited advice or even off the cuff bailiffing is easy when sitting in front of a screen. Not quite so simple in some real life situations. Good luck to those that chance it, all power to you. Castigate me all you like for not joining you but I've seen the results when it goes wrong.
 
Neil,
there's a member on here that took a kicking in such a scenario. I'll not be taking my chances. If someone wants help or advice they'll have to ask for it. I'm perfectly approachable on the bank.
All this talk of intervening when bad practise is seen, offering unsolicited advice or even off the cuff bailiffing is easy when sitting in front of a screen. Not quite so simple in some real life situations. Good luck to those that chance it, all power to you. Castigate me all you like for not joining you but I've seen the results when it goes wrong.

I think it is probably down to the individual Chris, I apologise if I came over 'holier than thou' I am sure you would help out anyone with regard to advice.
I do see red on occasions and bad handling of fish, together with loutish behaviour is a trigger for me to ''have a word''. I do find myself in some potentially dodgy situations at times, but I am an idiot, and besides there would be no Kudos in beating up an old man:D
But to live with the thoughts that I did or said nowt would be gnawing at me, but like I said we are all different and I wish I could be a bit more like you.
Certainly not castigating you at all Chris.
 
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