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Angling Trust

Alex, perhaps they see things from the other direction...join up, then change things from the inside? I dare say that Mark Lloyd is on a decent salary, but once you have a few of them on good money, they should surely decide that listening to the views of those who keep them in those well paid jobs need to be listened to?

Mind you, thinking about that....that's a bit like saying the government should do what we want. Hmmmmm :D. Hell, I don't know, take your pick I guess.

Cheers, Dave.
 
David Gauntlett said:
Alex, perhaps they see things from the other direction...join up, then change things from the inside? I dare say that Mark Lloyd is on a decent salary, but once you have a few of them on good money, they should surely decide that listening to the views of those who keep them in those well paid jobs need to be listened to?

Mind you, thinking about that....that's a bit like saying the government should do what we want. Hmmmmm :D. Hell, I don't know, take your pick I guess.

Cheers, Dave.
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Yes, it's Catch-22 Dave. I won't pay to join until I know what they are going to actually do. Some may say give them the power (finances) first and trust them to do what their members want. I'd rather get assurances before financing them and like Graham, I'm wary of the negatives. They seem a bit prone to appeasement and I can't stand any hint of being even slightly apologetic for our sport. For me the AT has to support angling and angling alone if anglers are financing it. The EA won't do it and the AT must get off the fence on every issue and stop trying to be all things to all men.
 
I can't disagree with that Alex. I am a private member as well as being a member via a club, have been for several years, but as with everything, it's a matter of personal choice. I was a member of the ACA for many years, and was sad to see that swallowed up. In fact my anger over that move was what stopped me joining the AT for some time. However, I am pleased that they, under their new 'Fish Legal' tag, are still doing a fine job.

I certainly have no answers to this one. I can see and understand the arguments from both sides, because I hold many of the same views as those on both sides on this. It all boils down to how you weigh up all those different views. You do your good/bad columns, and go for what makes more sense to you on balance.

Lets face it, anglers are an argumentative lot, we can't stick together on anything. We bristle and huff and puff about absolutely everything....we even get high and mighty about the type of issues on here that we argue about....some despising those who argue about otters on those threads, others despising those who love 'best landing net' threads.....we sometimes even change sides and argue from both ends :D

We are all as bad as each other, and always have been. We make divisions where no real divisions exist, and as a result have NEVER had a body representing us with a large enough membership to force the government to sit up and take notice. Governments rely on us being that way, because it has enabled them to completely ignore anglers throughout our hobbies entire history.

That, and that alone, is why I belong to the AT...I REALLY want to give it a chance. I guess it may well be a forlorn hope that the AT will ever grow into something that provides all we need in the way of a 'One fit's all' style representative, a body that can fight our corner and truly make things happen. All I am certain of is that if we as anglers don't give it a chance, then there is no way it can work. The major problem with that is that not only do we have nothing to replace it right now...there is nothing on the horizon either, nothing in the foreseeable future...and I rather think we are going to need a strong fighter in our corner sooner rather than later, the way things are going.

That is just the way I see it, others have other views. Anyway, could somebody start another otter thread please? I want to argue about which is the best landing net handle to 'stroke' one of the little darlings with :D

Cheers, Dave.
 
Andrew Richardson said:
the lone angler landing net handle is very robust dave
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but not as strong as a sledgehammer/baseball bat :rolleyes:

Putting tin hat on ready for the backlash. :eek:

I,m a barbel fisherman, on a "BARBEL FISHING FORUM". Not a giant rat lover, on a giant rat loving FORUM, kill the lot of them i say. If you prefer them to barbel, then what the hell are you doing on BFW, this site. Move on, create your own website, and stop stirring the **t here.
 
I believe that to get the backing of more anglers including myself the trust needs to wake up and stop being so naïve, I initially refused to join as they totally ignored specialist anglers even though they had used some £10,000 of specialist anglers cash to form themselves.

Believe it or not there are still lots of anglers that do not even know that the trust exists never mind what they do.

When was the last time that anyone saw an advertisement or poster for the trust in their local tackle shop? or even a mention of the trust on items of tackle?

Lots of anglers have migrated from rivers to commercials, have the trust got any sort of presence there other than anglers being forced to join the trust to be able to fish certain matches, I would bet that more commercial water anglers are not match anglers but casual anglers that go now and then and have no idea who the trust are.

The trust seem to think that anglers should come to them when in this day and age with the demands on ever decreasing home and angling budgets of people its them that should be going out and getting anglers to join not the other way round, could the reason be that they are happy with the way things are as long as the boat and their salary doesn't get rocked?
 
I think one thing is pretty clear, ATR are not single species/single minded. I'm a member of a small club on a small river. Finally managed to persuade them to join the trust a few years ago half way through the year. The trust let us have that 6 months for free with insurance/ fish legal cover. The savings we made on insurance almost covered are membership the following year. When we had canoe problems they fully backed us and put a stop to it. I'm a member myself individually. Most of the the match anglers I know are members.

As some as said it's not what is in it for you it's what's in it for angling as a whole
 
Jason Bean said:
I think one thing is pretty clear, ATR are not single species/single minded. I'm a member of a small club on a small river. Finally managed to persuade them to join the trust a few years ago half way through the year. The trust let us have that 6 months for free with insurance/ fish legal cover. The savings we made on insurance almost covered are membership the following year. When we had canoe problems they fully backed us and put a stop to it. I'm a member myself individually. Most of the the match anglers I know are members.

As some as said it's not what is in it for you it's what's in it for angling as a whole
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Great shout Jason.
 
The very idea of a one voice for all seems to not fit in with "specimen angling"

A specimen angler is solitary
A specimen angler is secretive
A specimen angler would sooner not socialise with other anglers
A specimen angler always as to be in a syndicate
A specimen anglers does not help angling as a whole

Just me being controversial if anyone wants to counter!
 
Jason Bean said:
The very idea of a one voice for all seems to not fit in with "specimen angling"

A specimen angler is solitary
A specimen angler is secretive
A specimen angler would sooner not socialise with other anglers
A specimen angler always as to be in a syndicate
A specimen anglers does not help angling as a whole

Just me being controversial if anyone wants to counter!
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Don't think they need countering Jason because as you know full well they don't apply to all "specimen anglers" your just being a naughty boy :)
 
Jason Bean said:
The very idea of a one voice for all seems to not fit in with "specimen angling"

A specimen angler is solitary
A specimen angler is secretive
A specimen angler would sooner not socialise with other anglers
A specimen angler always as to be in a syndicate
A specimen anglers does not help angling as a whole

Just me being controversial if anyone wants to counter!
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Yes, I'll take you on Jason, why not? :)

Solitary? Sometimes, definitely not always. How does that affect their right to some form of representation?

Secretive? Some are, some aren't or we would never get any photos/reports. Again, how does that affect their right to some form of representation?

Unsociable? More so on the bank than match and pleasure anglers, what's the problem? Many specimen groups have get togethers and social evenings, the Coventry Specimen Groups events being legendary.

Always has to be in a syndicate? Now this one I can quite legitimately say is total Bo**ox! :D I have been a specimen angler all my life and I have never belonged to a single syndicate. The nearest I ever got was being a member of the Wasing Estate on the Kennet and as far as I know that is pretty well open to all.

A specimen angler does not help angling as a whole? You're struggling now Jason! Compared to what other branches of angling? Like many others I was a member of the ACA for many years. Were every single match and pleasure anglers members?

Issues that affect angling affect all branches of it irrespective of whether you're a noisy match angler sat shouting to your mates with a bright orange coat on, or a barbel angler creeping about rain sodden banks at midnight in mid-November!

Anyway, your points were fun to reply to Jason and happy Christmas and New Year to you :)
 
Jason Bean said:
The very idea of a one voice for all seems to not fit in with "specimen angling"

A specimen angler is solitary
A specimen angler is secretive
A specimen angler would sooner not socialise with other anglers
A specimen angler always as to be in a syndicate
A specimen anglers does not help angling as a whole

Just me being controversial if anyone wants to counter!
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Seeing as your fishing for bites Jason :)

Answers in order :

Not always
Are you bloody kidding? They used to be before there was money in it !!
Usually
Untrue
Untrue
Yes i agree but Happy bloody Xmas anyway ;)
 
I see membership of the AT as an absolute no brainer for any club or syndicate. I'm all for any club or syndicate that I'm a member of being part of the AT, and happily they all are. I'm not quite so convinced with regards to individual membership.

Using the relatively high number of individual matchmen that are members as a stick to beat other non-members with is a bit of a red herring. The reality is that the vast majority of matchmen join because they have to to fish big matches such as Fishomania. Some of the matchmen that are forced into subscribing to the AT aren't particularly happy about it.
 
AT --Despair

The Angling Trust relies on Funding to enable it to act / lobby for what it believes the members and angling requires. If individuals think the Angling Trust are getting it wrong then those people should become members, pay the paltry fees and join in the debates. As I did.

The RSPB, The RSPCA, All have membership that the AT can only dream of, such funding helps create public awareness and political power.. One wonders do anglers really care, The answer is sadly obvious. At Sandown this year the AT were giving away gift packs donated by angling companies worth far in excess of the joining fee and the people on the stand were still chasing shadows

Today it was announced that the Lynx trust are lobbying to breed and release these cats back into the wild, they use to be inhabitants of the UK up until the 1700`s when they were hunted into extinction

So no problem then all we have to do is wait until all the Barbel, Chub, Carp, Roach etc. are extinct and some body else will pay to clone them and release them back into the mud pools
 
Ken Bailey said:
The Angling Trust relies on Funding to enable it to act / lobby for what it believes the members and angling requires. If individuals think the Angling Trust are getting it wrong then those people should become members, pay the paltry fees and join in the debates. As I did.

The RSPB, The RSPCA, All have membership that the AT can only dream of, such funding help creates public awareness and political power.. One wonders do anglers really care, The answer is sadly obvious. At Sandown this year the AT were giving away gift packs donated by angling companies worth far in excess of the joining fee and the people on the stand were still chasing shadows

Today it was announced that the Lynx trust are lobbying to breed and release these cats back into the wild, they use to be inhabitants of the UK up until the 1700`s when they were hunted into extinction

So no problem the all we have to do is wait until all the Barbel, Chub, Carp etc. are extinct and some body else will pay to clone them and release them back into the mud pools
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And in my opinion that is the reason that the majority don't join, they don't agree with what the trust think angling requires.

I have no idea what makes anyone think they would do anything about Lynx being reintroduced unless its their superb record of sitting on the fence with otters and now beavers that would convince anyone :rolleyes:

Do Lynx eat otters? if they do then lets have them and the quicker the better.
 
i wonder if they'll release some wolfs in south yorkshire because the EA have made a right bo**ocks of the dearne and rother ripping all the trees out, they look like canals, mind you theres not many deer about, they might drop on the EA men. Can anybody tell me who else contributes to the EA budget, because it seems to me like its only anglers but just about everything they do is against angling.
 
Anglers finance EA Fisheries but everything else to do with the EA like flood defense is funded by the government.

And hell will freeze over before I join the AT. The organisation that supposedly fights pollution but climbs into bed with the biggest polluter of rivers in England just because it sponsors their River Fest. 30,000 individual members? Oh REALLY.
 
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