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I am not saying what Germans say is correct merely that I know, when selling to them 50 years ago quality was paramount and price came 2nd. I expect it different now but then , when Germany was an industrial powerhouse, quality was all. I bought the sportex barbel and it showed that they were...

That's brilliant Richard. Given me loads to ponder. Thank you.

Got to remember Richard they are German rods. They were never sold here. The feeder is 4 oz and will do it too. I put 2x2oz bombs on just to see. The 40g float will chuck a loaded 30g feeder 30 yards with no difficulty. They are both 12ft rods.

Ps. The sportex excl float has a casting weight of 40g. That's more than I have seen on many floats, but as a power float with polaris its great. Will the legacy rods compare I wonder?

I find this discussion most interesting. I rarely fish simply using a float . Whilst I use a float rod, it is usually attached inter alia to a polaris float. One of the best imho is the tsi specialist 12ft. Correctly set, the rod gives almost a quivertip reaction thus providing a second...

I took my pal who owns a fishing tackle shop to my favourite club water where he fished to silvers lake. He had everything, a day beyond his dreams. Tench crutians brea m roach and even gudgeon. I have not seen one for 60+ years

discounted on ebay with free postage. Does that seem right?

Had my first dip of the year yesterday. Happy to be back!

Yes found it. The forerunner of the tsi I think. If you ever decide to part with the 11, please let me know Cliff. I really like the12. Cracking rod when paired with a polaris float.

Cheers Graham. I will delve into that.

I read it yesterday. Thanks for that Cliff. Fully recovered now I hope. I am on the bank for the first time on Tuesday. Wow, really missed it.

I have a very nice 12ft barbel specialist. I did have an 11 which I sold . I rather regret that now but however I have read about an avon version. I presume this to be the 1.2 11ft but does anyone know if there was an actual defined avon?

Should walk away very quickly Graham.

I bought a rod, pre brevit, all fine.

yes Carl, that's what I am waiting for too. I have always held the view that with the passage of time, progress in materials, design etc enable improvements not previously achievable. Therefore improved material, techniques should result in some changes, either improved product , lower prices...

yes they have a nice feel. The r design were £400 at A/D, so very pricy! Toray carbon too but I don't think the standard R rods had that but still very light as you say.

Hi Ian. Interested you mention a friend has rive rods. I was upset when I missed a r design on ebay at silly money. I bought a feeder last year from Austria and have to say its an 11ft dream.. if your pal thinks of disposing of any, I am interested. Please pass this on to hi.. cheers Alec

Goodness sorry to hear that Rob. Everything I have 2 of are crossed for you both. All will be well, believe me.. keep the rods til all is clear. Can't take them at in those circumstances however much a bargain. I will sell them for you on ebay if you don't want to be bothered or dont feel...

stop tempting me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!