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New born baby formula for boilies/paste

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Colin Boon

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Hi all,

Is it possible to make a boilie or paste out of new born formula? I ask because I have a newborn that has a dairy sensitivity and a big tub of newborn formula that I'm reluctant to throw in the bin. If it is possible would anyone be able to help me with a base mix recipe please?

Colin
 
It should be fine depending on what it contains. Have a look through the ingredients. I imagine it contains casein in some form or another and lots of vitamins and minerals.
 
Colin Boon said:
Hi all,

Is it possible to make a boilie or paste out of new born formula? I ask because I have a newborn that has a dairy sensitivity and a big tub of newborn formula that I'm reluctant to throw in the bin. If it is possible would anyone be able to help me with a base mix recipe please?

Colin
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Hi Colin
Caught plenty on a simple base mix comprising 1/3rds of baby milk powder, soya flour and semolina plus flavour and a colour. Mix with eggs. You could add other liquids, oils, spices etc.
 
Hi Colin.
It depends on the strength of the flavour you are using. From memory I used 8 or 10 medium eggs per kg of that base mix so it's just a case of dividing the recommended flavour dosage per kg by 10. You'll probably start around 0.5ml per egg assuming the flavour rate is likely to be 5ml per kg.

There are some John Baker YouTube videos about making hook baits that might help.
Good luck!
 
As part of a mix yes. You can include such things as soya flour, semolina and for a good all round bait fishmeal. There's loads of recipes online you can use as a guide. Baby milk has been used in Carp baits since the 70s and probably before. In case you don't know, you really need to add eggs to make a good pliable paste that holds together well.
 
I went through a stage early 2000s in making paste with baby formula and frozen bloodworms (aquarium food) which worked really well for all chub, carp, tench …can’t remember catching a barbel on them but maybe because I used other baits!! Trouble was the bloody crayon also loved them.
Must think about trying it again
 
Yes you can, and i have done !, It comprises of the same ingredients that you will find in Milk protein HNV mixes, BUT ! the most soluble of those ingredients ! you can make a nice paste by adding a little milk ( that you put in your tea ) Knead it until it binds nicely ... and i guarentee it will dissolve in about one minute, less if little stuff pecks at it ! 🤣 So you will need a fair bit of non soluble in it. You can add it to a boilie mix as your soluble content, and from that perspective it will work very well. Solubles in your bait from a long term point of view you'd be just as well buying soluble ingredients from a bait supplier, but obviously the need to use up your unwanted baby milk is the point of your question, so why not ? it will be an ideal soluble additive to your bait, just be careful how much you use, which will depend on your choice of non solubles, and binders Good luck colin 👍
 
Thank you guys. It seems its worth trying, regardless of whether it's successful or not.

Ian Grant said:
Yes you can, and i have done !, It comprises of the same ingredients that you will find in Milk protein HNV mixes, BUT ! the most soluble of those ingredients ! you can make a nice paste by adding a little milk ( that you put in your tea ) Knead it until it binds nicely ... and i guarentee it will dissolve in about one minute, less if little stuff pecks at it ! 🤣 So you will need a fair bit of non soluble in it. You can add it to a boilie mix as your soluble content, and from that perspective it will work very well. Solubles in your bait from a long term point of view you'd be just as well buying soluble ingredients from a bait supplier, but obviously the need to use up your unwanted baby milk is the point of your question, so why not ? it will be an ideal soluble additive to your bait, just be careful how much you use, which will depend on your choice of non solubles, and binders Good luck colin 👍
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Would you say it's worth using a decent quality fishmeal with it Ian? My understanding is that fishmeals aren't great in cold water and the river temperature dropped 0.1° over night and holding steady now at 8°.
 
I know you didn't ask me but all the same, modern fishmeals are fine in winter. The old high oil meals could potentially lead to a slow down in catch rates but that was because of the amount being thrown into waters. Fishmeal is a great ingredient for Carp and Barbel/ Chub baits all year round. Judicial baiting is always wise but particularly in winter. Keep amounts to 20% or thereabouts and you will have a good bait. Dont use fish oils in winter but low level savoury or spice flavours can be used but aren't essential in fishmeal baits. Use no more than 0.5ml of flavour per egg as a guide for concentrated flavours. All sorts you can add like liver powder or belican which will get your bait humming. Liquidised squid is another good one. 👍
 
I don't mind Andrew, I welcome contributions from anyone with more knowledge than me, which is just about every single person on this forum. 😅.

In my own mind if I use squid as a flavour would it not also make sense to use squidmeal as the non-soluble ingredient? I was actually thinking of going down the cheese and garlic route for flavourings as I can get a hold of some lethal garlic essential oil, but I'm totally up for any suggestions anyone makes.

Do you mean 20% fishmeal? Why would I make the fishmeal percentage so low, what benefit would i get out of that?
 
Colin Boon said:
Thank you guys. It seems its worth trying, regardless of whether it's successful or not.


Would you say it's worth using a decent quality fishmeal with it Ian? My understanding is that fishmeals aren't great in cold water and the river temperature dropped 0.1° over night and holding steady now at 8°.
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Colin Boon said:
Thank you guys. It seems its worth trying, regardless of whether it's successful or not.


Would you say it's worth using a decent quality fishmeal with it Ian? My understanding is that fishmeals aren't great in cold water and the river temperature dropped 0.1° over night and holding steady now at 8°.
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I would Ditto everything Andrew said in his reply Colin, i would just add ... don't get too wrapped up in complex ingredients, and the why's and wherefores, yes i would avoid VERY oily baits, if using non winterised types which personally i wouldn't at any time of year, but as Andrew says a good quality fishmeal will be fine, especially at this time of year when you ( i assume ) will be using much smaller quantities than summer, honestly you'll be fine !
 
Colin Boon said:
I don't mind Andrew, I welcome contributions from anyone with more knowledge than me, which is just about every single person on this forum. 😅.

In my own mind if I use squid as a flavour would it not also make sense to use squidmeal as the non-soluble ingredient? I was actually thinking of going down the cheese and garlic route for flavourings as I can get a hold of some lethal garlic essential oil, but I'm totally up for any suggestions anyone makes.

Do you mean 20% fishmeal? Why would I make the fishmeal percentage so low, what benefit would i get out of that?
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Sure you can use squid meal. It is a common ingredient in Carp baits which are also effective for many cyprinid species. It is certainly easier to handle than fresh squid but fresh squid, and other things like pilchards either tinned or fresh, make fantastic baits when whizzed up in a food processor then stiffened with a binding agent such as semolina. Other things can be used to stiffen these baits such as wheat gluten, corn flour, even ground up wearable. Experimentation is key to it.
It is easy to get caught up with technicalities but simple things like I have described make great baits, as do ground or mashed trout pellets or pet foods. Your baby milk can be added to any of these baits and it is generally thought that fish like the taste of milk. That is easy to underestimate. Some of the best baits aren't that complex but fish just like to eat them.
Yes garlic is a known attractor but if you use any highly concentrated flavourings, particularly essential oils, be very careful. You want tiny amounts and must follow guidance on the levels or you will end up with a very bitter tasting bait which fish won't touch.
You can use more fishmeal certainly but many people like to format a bait with a range of ingredients that provide a more varied amino acid profile. Up to you.
Have a look online. There's plenty of good advice on bait making.
 
Andrew Jackson said:
Sure you can use squid meal. It is a common ingredient in Carp baits which are also effective for many cyprinid species. It is certainly easier to handle than fresh squid but fresh squid, and other things like pilchards either tinned or fresh, make fantastic baits when whizzed up in a food processor then stiffened with a binding agent such as semolina. Other things can be used to stiffen these baits such as wheat gluten, corn flour, even ground up wearable. Experimentation is key to it.
It is easy to get caught up with technicalities but simple things like I have described make great baits, as do ground or mashed trout pellets or pet foods. Your baby milk can be added to any of these baits and it is generally thought that fish like the taste of milk. That is easy to underestimate. Some of the best baits aren't that complex but fish just like to eat them.
Yes garlic is a known attractor but if you use any highly concentrated flavourings, particularly essential oils, be very careful. You want tiny amounts and must follow guidance on the levels or you will end up with a very bitter tasting bait which fish won't touch.
You can use more fishmeal certainly but many people like to format a bait with a range of ingredients that provide a more varied amino acid profile. Up to you.
Have a look online. There's plenty of good advice on bait making.
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Ground up weetabix!
 
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