Cheese Boilies

[Tim Marks]

I was fishing fruit flavoured fishmeal boilies one year.
One particular day, it was hot & humid, & they started to sweat, in no time at all they were covered in a mould, and the bait got better and better, the following day they stank and we were still catching loads. So after that moment, I never throw them away, and if mould appears on them I'm still not phased Wayne.

When Richworth first brought out frozen boilies the trick was to let them go a bit mouldy in the bags and then use them.

allegedly it was the sugars in the bait coming out onto the surface…..

Regarding freezing or re-freezing baits; I like to either buy frozen bait that I can collect direct from the maker, or freshly rolled bait that I can freeze myself. I don’t trust deliveries of frozen bait (after one or two bad experiences of stuff getting delayed in transit).

when I actually fish I tend to use very little bait and fish very short sessions - so any left over tends to be minimal amounts which does get refrozen.

 

[Richard Isaacs]

Jb Taste f2 with jb cheese flavor at very low doses makes an excellent chub bait in both paste and boilie form but be really careful on amount of the flavour you use especially in paste.
0.3ml per egg for hook baits is more than plenty it’s so strong. You can use it as a long term food bait over winter and reduce your flavour Down to 0.1ml for free offerings.

It is an excellent chub bait and barbel love it too.
Use it in summer for the barbel with a little bit of his masala oil and you’ve got an all year round food bait that’s a little different to what everyone else uses.

 

[Peter Hayes]

With winter just around the corner, it's time to think about chub fishing, so this season I was thinking of making or buying some Cheese Boilies instead of cheesepaste.
Can anyone recommend a base mix for this - Nutrabaits Hi Nu Val is discontinued, so the only other milk protein base I know is JB super milk? Doing a Google search I found EVG baits stinka blue cheese and garlic frozen boilies, has anyone used EVG baits? In particular the Stinka boilies?
I prefer frozen boilies, which for barbel fishing I get rolled and collect frozen, which are then put into my freezer within 20 minutes, so are still frozen solid.
On the EVG website it says that the boilies will be sent out frozen via 24 hour courier, so I guessing that the boilies will have defrosted by then, so what's your thoughts on re freezing boilies?
Sorry for the long post
Regards Wayne

I've used EVG Baits Stinka boilies, paste, and pop ups for chub in the last few years in frozen form and they are a really good chub bait. Caught first time out with no pre-baiting required. Come to think of it I've still got around 4kg in the freezer that I was going to chuck out as I'm now using JB Baits but your welcome to them. Sure we can work out a deal of some kind if your interested.
Never had any problems using them after they have defrosted and I've frozen them again.

 

[Paul Rogers]

I was fishing fruit flavoured fishmeal boilies one year.
One particular day, it was hot & humid, & they started to sweat, in no time at all they were covered in a mould, and the bait got better and better, the following day they stank and we were still catching loads. So after that moment, I never throw them away, and if mould appears on them I'm still not phased Wayne.

Do you know the bait is still safe to eat though. If we ate mouldy food, it would be a day or so of "meeting Ralph and Hughy" as Billy Connelly would say. I appreciate that human bodies function differently to fish; but, all the same I have always applied the same rule of thumb to bait as I have to my food. if it is mouldly, don't eat it

 

[Richard Isaacs]

Do you know the bait is still safe to eat though. If we ate mouldy food, it would be a day or so of "meeting Ralph and Hughy" as Billy Connelly would say. I appreciate that human bodies function differently to fish; but, all the same I have always applied the same rule of thumb to bait as I have to my food. if it is mouldly, don't eat it

I’m of the same thinking Paul but for different reasons.
Given what fish actually eat on a daily basis, I can’t imagine a bit of old bait doing them much harm. However surely as anglers we want to offer them bait at its absolute best.
There is no way that a bit of dehydrated, several times frozen, gone off bait is going to have the same attractiveness to fish as a bit of fresh, quality bait.
People can argue that all they want but I’ve definitely noticed in my results that bait that has been kept well and fresh and used pretty much immediately after I’ve made it is definitely responded too more quickly.

On rivers where the feeding competition is quite high, I would say probably not much difference but if like me your fishing for 1 bite only, then give it everything you’ve got and make everything as perfect as it possibly can be.

 

[Julian Griffiths]

Do you know the bait is still safe to eat though. If we ate mouldy food, it would be a day or so of "meeting Ralph and Hughy" as Billy Connelly would say. I appreciate that human bodies function differently to fish; but, all the same I have always applied the same rule of thumb to bait as I have to my food. if it is mouldly, don't eat it

Think about the dead dying diseased fish that other fish scavenge upon, and raw uncooked meats we sometimes use as baits.
It's the sugars that the moulds are feeding on.
Hemp that's on the turn also works well to!!

Not forgetting the cheese we're using, in effect that's already gone off.
So I wouldn't be worried Paul mate

On a seperate note... I wish my mum years ago didn't force us to eat Ski yoghurts that had the starts of mould appearing on the surface of our desserts, didn't do us harm (I think)

 

[Nick Coulthurst]

I used to cut my hi nu val with clo to make it more economical. Don’t most boilie companies post fresh (unfrozen) and you then put it straight in the freezer ? Pretty sure my supplier does.

 

[Chris Belcher]

I used to cut my hi nu val with clo to make it more economical. Don’t most boilie companies post fresh (unfrozen) and you then put it straight in the freezer ? Pretty sure my supplier does.

Although some state this I'm not sure of the reality - unless you're ordering 100kg+ I think its pretty unlikely; they'll be creating big batches and most will be frozen in readiness dependant on pending orders - so unless your collecting in person you're already 're-freezing' when you receive the posted order IMHO. I use a local supplier who is 2miles from my house; even then very rarely do I collect 'fresh' . . .(albeit it is still frozen when it fills the freezer at my end)

 

[Terry Simner]

Seeing as pellets, in all their forms and flavours, aren't frozen by suppliers or users, it's amazing that anyone ever catches on them eh.

 

[Tim Marks]

Seeing as pellets, in all their forms and flavours, aren't frozen by suppliers or users, it's amazing that anyone ever catches on them eh.

I took a bag of frozen pellets out of my freezer yesterday !

I’d mixed them with a few boilies and soaked the lot in a very smelly glug. I ended up not using them - so I threw the lot back in the freezer to isolate the smell.

 

[Mike Thompson]

I took a bag of frozen pellets out of my freezer yesterday !

I’d mixed them with a few boilies and soaked the lot in a very smelly glug. I ended up not using them - so I threw the lot back in the freezer to isolate the smell.

I've got some cheese paste like that Tim. Hate to think how many times it's been in and out of the freezer.

 

[Connor Smith]

@Paul Rogers @Richard Isaacs

Over the years I've used a lot boilies, I'm primarily a boilie user and there my go to bait of choice so I'd like to think I have a fair bit of experience with them. I dont think you can beat the nutrition of a boilie and there effective when trying to target a certain species/size of fish. I wouldn't recommend using a mouldy boilie but a lot of people get mixed up with a boilie starting to turn/developing white spots and actual mould. If its starting to get white spots on it then this is the food fermenting and the natural sugars coming out. Put this in the water and you've got an active bait releasing food signals and breaking down straight away. Sort of like a yeast. This is why a lot of people use boilies like this. If it's starting to actually grow white fur on it then it's mould. This is when it's past its best and I wouldn't use it... but it still will catch fish, I'd recommend using something fresher though.

 

[Julian Marshall]

The JB cheese flavour is capable of making anything smell of cheese, including a whole house!

 

[Peter Hayes]

A lot of bait company's recommend that you don't refreeze boilies as this will reduce their effectiveness with regards to nutrition. They recommend throwing in the bait you haven't used at the end of the session and starting with a fresh batch of bait. Is this just a company to make you buy more of their product?

 

[Joe Winstanley]

If I'm using boilies for barbel fishing, I rarely use more than a handful in a session so it's no great shakes if a small amount of bait is wasted.

Like Richard, if I'm using boilies I'm fishing for one bite. Therefore I want the bait to be as fresh and enticing as possible. I wouldn't be happy sitting there thinking the hook bait may slightly less effective as it's been refrozen, even it if was only 98% as effective. It would mess with my head and confidence levels. For me I'm trying to increase my chances of bite by small margins wherever possible.

I'm certain I get better results with maggots and casters when they are as fresh as possible.

 

[Tim Marks]

A lot of bait company's recommend that you don't refreeze boilies as this will reduce their effectiveness with regards to nutrition. They recommend throwing in the bait you haven't used at the end of the session and starting with a fresh batch of bait. Is this just a company to make you buy more of their product?

In the early days of high protein and enzyme baits people used to either use fresh bait or frozen bait and take a flask to keep it cold.

The theory was that the baits would have a very short life once made/thawed and after (say) 12 hours would be markedly less effective. There were lots of stories about baits suddenly becoming ‘super bait’ for short time spans as the proteins broke down.

These days with hydrolysed proteins the baits should last longer…….but I would still try and use them without re-freezing.

But I take your point about ‘cynical’ bait companies. There are plenty of dubious marketing tactics. I know at least 4 people who run/have run bait companies……..

 

[Wayne Robinson]

In the early days of high protein and enzyme baits people used to either use fresh bait or frozen bait and take a flask to keep it cold.

The theory was that the baits would have a very short life once made/thawed and after (say) 12 hours would be markedly less effective. There were lots of stories about baits suddenly becoming ‘super bait’ for short time spans as the proteins broke down.

These days with hydrolysed proteins the baits should last longer…….but I would still try and use them without re-freezing.

But I take your point about ‘cynical’ bait companies. There are plenty of dubious marketing tactics. I know at least 4 people who run/have run bait companies……..

Hi All
Thanks for the all replies.
IMHO I think freshly made / frozen and defrosted just before using is best, which is why I am so particular with regards to my barbel boilies, however I don't think chub are as fussy as barbel! I would never refreeze boilies to use for the next fishing session, but might re freeze some left over boilies from serveral session to pre bait a new swim/area. However I'll happily refreeze leftover cheese paste, then defrost serveral bits, and mix together! In the back of my bait fridge there's some cheese paste from last season! Matured or what!
I think I will try the EVG stinker boilies, order a couple of kilos and see how we got on!
If no good then I get some Nutrabaits Hi Nu Val and make my own chop ups.
Also can anyone recommend a pellet which contains milk/hemp to fish with it?
Regards Wayne

 

[Richard Dawson]

My latest concoction has been catching me fish, using actual parmesan and actual pepperami firesticks to make said boilies.


My base mix is from AA baits and works wonderfully for me.

50/50 Base Mix - AA Baits

50/50 Base Mix

aabaits.co.uk

Stick to putting real cheese in them and not the horrid fake flavourings. Parmesan is perfect being powdery.


I made them with the intention of being a freezer boilie and i acidentally left some in my rucksack for a week and a half after one session, came back to it this Wednesday and they're still perfectly fine, think the pepperami has a shelf-life effect.



If you want to make a matching paste, just make extra boilies and blitz them up in a food processor after they have dried for a couple of days, then start drizzling water in a little at a time to bring it to a ball, add a little oil (before the water) if you want to prolong the break-down time of the paste.


Want matching pellets? Just don't roll your sausages into boilies, Just boil the sausage and then slice into pellets after it has cooled/dryed, has the bonus effect of the edges not having all the flavour and smell boiled away

 

[Peter Hayes]

Stick to putting real cheese in them and not the horrid fake flavourings. Parmesan is perfect being powdery.

I don't think you can write off flavours like that. There have been some hugely successful flavour in the past and in use today. For example you mention the use of real cheese instead of artificial flavour but no one can say that Richworth's Blue Cheese wasn't a hugely popular and highly successful flavour for chub. A flavour is part of the bigger picture when it comes to a bait.

 

[Richard Dawson]

I don't think you can write off flavours like that. There have been some hugely successful flavour in the past and in use today. For example you mention the use of real cheese instead of artificial flavour but no one can say that Richworth's Blue Cheese wasn't a hugely popular and highly successful flavour for chub. A flavour is part of the bigger picture when it comes to a bait.

I agree some might work but hasn't typically been the case for me. I have no confidence in stuff without a nutritional value so to speak.

Only way to find out is to experiment I guess