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Strong enough ?

Iain Tutt

Senior Member
Been given 20 packets of these hooks from a kind hearted neighbour as he is no longer to fish anymore. Have never used this size . The only existence i have with this of Kamasan Animal eyed hooks is in sizes 16 to 22. Will they be strong enough for Barbel and Chub. He has given me sizes from 10 to 18. Sorry about the size of the picture, i haven't a clue how to crop the size

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Nice to know they are OK. Thought of using then with maggots and a large black cap
 
These are superb hooks, I've had big barbel and tench on them and are my preferred pattern for smaller baits, although in the barbed variety
 
Cheers for your comments. Thought they were only have been good for mid double Carp.
 
Agree I wouldn't use them in a hit and hold situ but they are good hooks.

I have used them in smaller sizes - 18's and 16s for floatfishing on rivers and they are ok. I prefer drennan super spades though for barbel when floatfishing maggot or casters.
 
Contrary to David's experience, and just to offer an alternative view, I have found Kamasan hooks (in all of their iterations) to be generally more reliable than Drennans when it comes to larger/harder fighting fish, although I have straightened both in hit and hold (and snag) situations over the years.
 
I have used these hooks for Barbel and not experienced any problems , if you want something seriously strong see if you can find some Drennan continental boilie hooks
 
Landed over 20 double figure Barbel this season using these in size 14. Absolutely to dollar. You can get them for a £1 a pack on eBay too.
 
I think the point here is that you really cannot expect a very small hook, such as some of the sizes mentioned here, to be strong enough in true 'Hit and hold' situations.

It's true that some small hooks are stronger than others, but surely it's obvious to anyone that however strong the better hooks are, it's a comparative thing. They may be stronger than the very fine wire models, but the plain truth is, they cannot make tiny hooks in the same gauge of wire as the larger, genuine 'hook and hold' versions...it's not practical.

The old advice to use balanced tackle is still very true, but it's also true that however well balanced it is, it's still poor practice to use tackle that's not up to the job. Another truism (one that many find hard to swallow) is that just because anglers of the skill levels of the much missed Keith Speer can safely land large barbel on small hooks...does NOT mean that every Tom, Dick and Harry can do the same thing. There are other anglers of that same skill level, of course there are...but we lesser mortals need to accept that that does not include us, and adjust our tackle to safer proportions.

It may also be useful to note that even Keith would only use light tackle in situations where he new it was appropriate, were he could safely do so. There is no way on God's earth that he would use it in snaggy areas, let alone out and out hook and hold situations.

Cheers, Dave.
 
Absolutely right, Dave.

I typically use 10 or 12 for barbel (14 on VERY rare occasions, and usually only if I've run out of 10s and 12s!), and most makes of hook of that size are strong enough in all but the most testing of jungle hit and hold situations.

To be honest, I've had more problems with hooks slipping, or simply points being blunted after a short space of time (both I found to be regular occurrances with Drennan hooks) than I have hooks bending or straightening.
 
It's generally the lead weight that dictates the strength of hook. You wouldn't fish a 14 animal with a 4oz lead. Well there is some out there who would.
 
Some good info chaps. I've recently changed from 6 and 4 hooks as my catch rate was down. But since changing down to a Drennan specimen size 10 hook my rate is up again the same as last year. My clubs rivers except one i can get away with a 1 or 2 oz lead as the current isn't very strong. Nothing like you chaps that fishing the Severn, Trent and so on.
I've done a very,very basic test with 2 different makes of hooks both in size 10. Putting the hooks in a vice with the eye tyred to 100 lb braid and pulling as had as i can.1 hook a Middy KM-3 started to straighten out first, whilst the Animal took a lot more pull to notice any difference. Ok the test is not very scientific.

Putting the Animal against the Drennan which is a heavier gauge i think i will stick with the Drennan and keep the Animal for Tench and Chub
 
Strongest hooks I have ever used are Ashima fantastic hooks wont let you down
 
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