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Centrepin line issues.

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Kevin Copping

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I know that there are a good number of pin users on here and would welcome suggestions on an issue. I should say that I have used a pin for decades and would consider myself “competent “ friends may disagree 😂. Before a recent grayling trip I re spooled my BJ with the same floating line hat I always use (Dave Harrell). On the second day, numerous trots stopped abruptly and the line appeared to be coming off the top of the spool instead of the bottom, possibly sticking?. I found a swim that allowed a straight 30 yds trot and I fished it for an hour or so. The issue however persisted and spoilt the session, I was even tempted to go over to “the dark side” and put a fixed spool on but resisted. Any suggestions would be gratefully received.
 
Never had that happen. How much line are you spooling up with?

Sounds like it’s bedding in and, as you quite rightly surmise, sticking. Maybe as a result of too much line on the drum?
 
For float fishing and for years, I’ve spooled my pins with 40 to 50 ME of 6.6lb Silstar Match Team line and I’ve never experienced your described issue.

What pin are you using out of interest?
 
Definitely sounds like bedding in and something I have experienced many times but usually after a strong battle with a very hard fighting barbel.

A long trot afterwards followed by a well positioned retrieval back onto the drum and the problem usually goes away instantly.

If your problem is continuous and doesn’t go away after a long trot and re position then I’d say it’s possible you might have put your line on the drum without enough tension and it’s constantly finding its way into the deeper line on the drum.

Anyone that doesn’t suffer some form of binding on a centre pin isn’t trotting very far for large fish because it’s part and parcel when putting 100yards of line on for big barbel.

Try reapplying your line and put it on under more tension. When you’re putting the line on and guiding it across the spool left to right it shouldn’t take more than 4 rotations to get from full left to full right. This means the line is going on in an angled spiral and not straight inline with the flanges and it’s much more difficult for binding to take place from your trotted line.

Braid doesn’t improve the problem it’s worse for binding than mono, I’ve used both. It’s all very well putting less line on but then your only hindering your trot distance and I personally load all my pins up with 100 yards of line and get on fine with it.
0.16 is the thinnest main line I would use ever for any species or fishing and if I need a reduction in diameter after that then I take care of it in the hook length. Thinner than 0.16 again is going to lead to more bedding issues.
 
Jim Gregory said:
Well by your own admission, you clearly have.lol🤣
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own admission…😂…. BS

No I just get the impression you probably don’t do a lot of float fishing with centrepins.
If you did you’d know that while braid does have some advantages over mono, it has some negatives aswell and bedding, abrasion resistance are 2 of those negatives.
 
I’ve had it happen before, usually as Richard says right after a fight with an angry barbel where the line has been pulled very tight and wound down into looser line underneath. Carefully trot it out, guide and unbed the line at the spool with your other hand then weave and retrieve.
 
Best thing to do in that situation is what Daniel said, trott the whole lot off and wind it back in, don't try to put the line on evenly, just let it go on as it goes on.

My opinion, ditch any thoughts of using braid, i've used it and I found it did sink after a bit. It makes horrible noise as it goes through the guides, it can cut your fingers when casting, it's just horrible stuff. If you do want to try it then power pro was the best of the braids I used. Mono blows braid away by a country mile....imo.
My prefered line is daiwa sensor, I usually put about 100yds on, maybe a bit less, or maybe a bit more depending on what river i'm going to be fishing. On some rivers I might trott a hundred yards!
The good traits about sensor are, its very abrasion resistant, it's lower than the stated diameter and higher than the stated breaking strain. It is also very reliable and consistant, and to cap that off it's very reasonably priced...it comes in bulk spools n'all !

If anyone from Daiwa is reading this then I think its about time you sent me a few free spools as i'm sure my constant praising of sensor over many years must have helped to sell lots of it!! 🤣😂.
 
Thanks guys for your responses, appreciated. The reel in question is a Youngs Bob James (not lightweight) and was spooled with the same 0.16 dia line that I normally use. I doubt that I put more than 50 metres on but on top of the original line that I felt was no longer long enough, that may have been a mistake! I haven’t attempted to fish for grayling with braid as I feel that the lack of stretch may lead me to drop even more fish than I already do🤬. Whilst I am not fishing for chub or barbel, the river flows extremely fast and 8g floats are often required. I suppose that a good grayling of two pounds or so in such powerful flow may cause bedding in. I will take all the line off and replace it with a greater diameter and try more tension and spread the turns evenly over the drum. Hopefully, after taking all the advice on board I’ll be back trotting like a goodun 🤞
 
Not really any help Kevin,.. but just to say I similar problems just over a week ago when long trotting the Hampshire Avon from a punt. I very rarely load a trotting pin with more than 60/70 yards of line, but because I’d knew that I could possibly be trotting 50 yards that day I respooled with a 100m the day before.
I got into a hefty sea trout at the start of the session hooked around 30 yards downstream which gave me the runaround. After that episode the line kept pinging because it had bedded in,… worst,.. sometimes the momentarily slack in the line would loop over the ratchet switch much to my mates amusement!
I suspect 100m was too much and that I didn’t tension my line dispenser enough the previous day.
I’m going to strip 30 odd yards off the reel before using it again,… or maybe just reload the lot.
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Dave Taylor said:
Not really any help Kevin,.. but just to say I similar problems just over a week ago when long trotting the Hampshire Avon from a punt. I very rarely load a trotting pin with more than 60/70 yards of line, but because I’d knew that I could possibly be trotting 50 yards that day I respooled with a 100m the day before.
I got into a hefty sea trout at the start of the session hooked around 30 yards downstream which gave me the runaround. After that episode the line kept pinging because it had bedded in,… worst,.. sometimes the momentarily slack in the line would loop over the ratchet switch much to my mates amusement!
I suspect 100m was too much and that I didn’t tension my line dispenser enough the previous day.
I’m going to strip 30 odd yards off the reel before using it again,… or maybe just reload the lot.View attachment 32815
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I wouldn't remove any line. After saying that, what line were you using, that stuff looks a bit naff.
If you thread your line up through your rod, tie the end to a post or similar and walk it all of. To wind it back on wind the line back onto ypur reel as you walk back to the point of where your line is tied. Remember to keep the required tension on the line as you walk and wind back in.

I never try to spread my line out evenly across the drum, I just allow it to go on as it wants to. Here's an example of how it may look....



If it goes on like that don't worry about it, it still works perfectly fine and comes off with no plucking/sticking at all.
 
Ian Woods said:
I wouldn't remove any line. After saying that, what line were you using, that stuff looks a bit naff.
If you thread your line up through your rod, tie the end to a post or similar and walk it all of. To wind it back on wind the line back onto ypur reel as you walk back to the point of where your line is tied. Remember to keep the required tension on the line as you walk and wind back in.

I never try to spread my line out evenly across the drum, I just allow it to go on as it wants to. Here's an example of how it may look....



If it goes on like that don't worry about it, it still works perfectly fine and comes off with no plucking/sticking at all.
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I’ve used my line dispenser for donkeys years,… it’s permanently in place at one end of the long garage. I knocked it up in my old engineering workshop. I suspected at the time that I hadn’t put enough tension on the spool when loading the pin. The line isn’t as bad as it looks,… I grabbed this pic from a short video and hilighted the line to make the pinging more noticeable.
That said I’m not a great fan of drennan float fish ( 5lb bs 0.20mm) but it was all I could get at short notice.
We’ve all got our preferences I guess.🙂
 
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