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Barbel Handling: What's Acceptable?

Nicholas Cole

Senior Member
Evening All

Thought some of ou might like to share your views on acceptable behaviour when it comes to the practice of resting and re-resting barbel for the purposes of weighing and photographing.

In the past few seasons I have become increasingly concerned about keeping a big barbel out of the water for more than a short period so my 'process' is as follows;

1. Get lucky and net big barbel
2. before removing from the water, rest barbel in upright position in net
3. Whilst resting, set up scales and camera if needed
4. Using Prologc quick release attachment, remove net from pole
5. remove fish from water and unhook whilst in net (sometimes too tricky to unhook in the water)
6. Weigh net (now well soaked) and fish together
7. Pick up fish and fire off a couple of self-takes with camera remote control
8. Return fish in net to water
9. rest fish in upright position in the flow until ready to go
10. Release fish
11. Weigh sodden net and deduct weight from total at above.

It's taken longer to type that than to actually do it, barring the resting periods and I've given up ith the sling approach as it was just another time consuming action .

The reason for relating all that is that I recently saw an angler (no names) who wanted to weigh and photograph his fish go through a process of putting the fish in a sling to weigh it, back in the river to re-rest it, taking it out for a photo then re-resting it, taking it out again for another set of photos and then finally resting it before release. The fish was uharmed by its experience as it was recaptured a couple of days later but I did think that it was all a bit excessive and suggested to the captor that it was high time it went back after the second set of snaps.

We could of course simply unhook fish in the net and slip them back (or, ultimately not fish for them at all) if we wanted to take best care of them but i acknowledge that weighing and photographing is an important part of captures for a lot of us.

So, finally, assuming that the fish as to leave the water once for a brief time for hook removal etc, my question is: How many times would you regard as an acceptble number for re-resting fish (ie dipping it back in the river and then taking it out again) before final release?
 
Only as long as it takes without distressing the fish, is the short answer.
But i would personally think no more than once out of the water, as you have stated, rest before photo, then back to rest after the photo before release.
 
Wow.....Now I'm really impressed.......Not!!!!!!!

If this is not the most sanctimonious, pious, self-satisfied, smug post ever put on these boards it is pretty close to it.

What gives anyone the right to tell me what I should and should not do after catching a fish?

I'm thinking of buying a keep net just to cock a snook at the lot of you.
 
Generally, if I hook one worth weighing, I'll get it straight on the bank - I find they're less of a handful without a rest. I'll unhook, set up the camera and scales (should only take 2 or 3mins if everything's to hand) then transfer to to the weighsling. Weigh the fish, put it back on the mat, select the self-take program on the camera, pick up the fish and get 4 or 5 shots of each side then put it straight back. As long as you point it upstream then it's fine after 30secs. Everything in 5 or 6mins max - sorted.
 
11. Weigh sodden net and deduct weight from total at above.



The reason for relating all that is that I recently saw an angler (no names) who wanted to weigh and photograph his fish go through a process of putting the fish in a sling to weigh it, back in the river to re-rest it, taking it out for a photo then re-resting it, taking it out again for another set of photos and then finally resting it before release. The fish was uharmed by its experience as it was recaptured a couple of days later but I did think that it was all a bit excessive and suggested to the captor that it was high time it went back after the second set of snaps.

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Point 1. "Weigh sodden net and deduct weight from total at above. " is not an acceptable or accurate method of weighing fish.

Point 2. According to your "story" it did go back after the second set of pics.

Point 3. It can be better to photograph/weigh fish after a short rest than a long one, since they're less likely to try and jump out of your hands and potentially damage themselves once they've got their full strength back. Prevailing conditions, time of year, length of "fight" time etc etc can be taken into account. Some may need a long rest, most don't in my experience. You just give them what each needs. Similarly, some may need weighing and a pic, most don't.

Point 4. There is no point 4.
 
As previously posted resting in landing net immediatly after capture, before taking out of water (if required)is one the most effective and sensible things to do regarding welfare of barbel.
It means the fish recovers almost straight away and you can get back to fishing sooner to catch another,instead of bending over getting back ache waiting several minutes for your prize to recover.;)
 
I agree with Mark but if I think it's a poss PB follow the same procedure as Nicholas, if the fish is very close and a really accurate weighing is required then the fish is rested in a good flow before re-weighing in a weigh sling.

PS. Adrian do you always over react??????
 
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Generally, if I hook one worth weighing, I'll get it straight on the bank - I find they're less of a handful without a rest. I'll unhook, set up the camera and scales (should only take 2 or 3mins if everything's to hand) then transfer to to the weighsling. Weigh the fish, put it back on the mat, select the self-take program on the camera, pick up the fish and get 4 or 5 shots of each side then put it straight back. As long as you point it upstream then it's fine after 30secs. Everything in 5 or 6mins max - sorted.

Sorry Declan, but i find that amount of time; 5-6 mins of a fish being out of the water, straight after a fight aswell to be totally distressing for the fish involved. I could go on.... and i will after reading the last part; ''As long as you point it upstream then it's fine after 30secs''. I have seen a few Trent fish go belly up after a short rest, swimming off steadily then floating to the surface mins later. If its around the double mark and upwards i am very careful with them and give them at least 3-10 mins.
Myself i rest a fish, weighed and photographed within 2mins. My priority is getting Her back in the water asap.

Jon
 
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Thanks for the replies guys. .

My thanks too to Fred for posting the link to the handling code.

On accuracy of weighing fish in the net: once the mesh is soaked, its weight varies very little. So weighing it after returning the fish its still soaked and I'd contend it gives less margin of error than might exist in, say, the accuracy of the scales themselves. Different strokes for different folk though and whatever method you're happy with that doesn't harm the fish is gonna be the one you choose.

Nic
 
Thanks for the replies guys. .

My thanks too to Fred for posting the link to the handling code.

On accuracy of weighing fish in the net: once the mesh is soaked, its weight varies very little. So weighing it after returning the fish its still soaked and I'd contend it gives less margin of error than might exist in, say, the accuracy of the scales themselves. Different strokes for different folk though and whatever method you're happy with that doesn't harm the fish is gonna be the one you choose.

Nic

Sorry Nic, but that's complete rubbish.

You zero the scales with the wet weigh-sling, then add fish = Accurate weight.

Your "method" will give a false reading.

Personally, I don't give a damn how people weigh their fish, as long as they don't expect much in the way of congratulations if they don't follow correct protocol.

Try a known weight both ways and you'll see what I mean.
 
Sorry Declan, but i find that amount of time; 5-6 mins of a fish being out of the water, straight after a fight aswell to be totally distressing for the fish involved. I could go on.... and i will after reading the last part; ''As long as you point it upstream then it's fine after 30secs''. I have seen a few Trent fish go belly up after a short rest, swimming off steadily then floating to the surface mins later. If its around the double mark and upwards i am very careful with them and give them at least 3-10 mins.
Myself i rest a fish, weighed and photographed within 2mins. My priority is getting Her back in the water asap.

Jon


Er...I think the humour was lost on you there Jon. I rarely weigh or photograph a fish if I'm on my own.
 
I agree with Mark but if I think it's a poss PB follow the same procedure as Nicholas, if the fish is very close and a really accurate weighing is required then the fish is rested in a good flow before re-weighing in a weigh sling.

PS. Adrian do you always over react??????

I never over react, I do speak my mind though.
 
If its not a PB or close why bother weighing it? Get it back in the water asap.
A lot of anglers like to weigh their fish for their own records, it's all part of the fun of angling. If the angler is organised then a fish can be accurately weghed (not in the landing net), photographed and returned with no harm done in a very short time. Problems arise when some people let their fish go as soon as they start looking a bit lively. Barbel should always have a good 5 minutes recovery whether weighed or not as some fish look ready for release only to roll over again seconds later.
 
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