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An alternative viewpoint?

Keith Speer

Senior Member
I know things have been tough for some this season just finished; the very cold weather (and even colder water) has been the kiss of death for some rivers.
I have kept my eye on the river reports and I have to say, either the fishing has been a bit pants, OR, some, like me have kept a bit quiet about their catches.
I have to admit I have had one of my best seasons for a long time, granted in previous years I have caught more fish and bigger fish too, but for pure enjoyment my 2009/10 season will be hard to beat.

I often decide that I would like to catch a Barbel in every month of the year, I have managed it quite a few times and this year I managed to do it again, which was very pleasing.
All in, I managed to capture 204 Barbel of which 8 were doubles, I have caught them from:- The Kennet, The Great Ouse, The Ivel, The Lea, The Colne, and The Gade altogether very pleasing!

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Last knockings in the snow!

For me a particular method has worked very well, in fact after catching a few fish last summer I decided to stick with the one method, it is a very simple method and there are plenty of anglers that are better than me, I am NOT trying to blow my own trumpet, but I am advocating “thinking outside the boxâ€, I have seen plenty of Barbel anglers over the year, and some (quite a few of those that have spoken to me) seemed surprised when I have told them I was fishing for Barbel, the fact is my method has simply gone out of fashion, but for me, this year it has been deadly.

What you may ask is this super method that has worked so well for me, simply it is the humble Stick float!!

I was very lucky to have been taught to use The Stick by some very good anglers, my dad refused to let me have a fixed spool reel until I had developed a good working knowledge of how to use a centre pin, one of my dads mates was a master on the tidal Thames with a pin, add to that lessons from Billy Lane (THE Master float angler) and a number of other equally good (if less well known) anglers and ten years of match fishing, eventually even a dopey angler like me will start to get it right on occasion.
But of all the methods available there is simply no better way of catching Barbel (or any other fish for that matter) than fishing a float on a centre pin.

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The better fish still come late, even on the float.

Of course the method is of little use unless you get your feed pattern right, but in the case of Barbel, during warm weather you need to get as much down to Barbel trough level as you can, in cold water it is a bit more hit and miss, one afternoon session in January I used a quarter pint of maggots for 5 fish.
Also I think my choice of bait has been important, in the main I have caught on Maggot , Caster and Hemp, I have tried using pellet, but it has been largely un-successful, in fact on one river Pellet has become a Barbel repellent, I’m sure they still eat it but you have to be damned clever to get them to take it on a rig, yet on this venue they were absolute suckers for a single grain of large Hemp on a size 14, fished 10 inches off the bottom?

Please believe me I am not posting this to show what a good angler I am because I know (and fish with) much better anglers than I, but I am suggesting that maybe, just maybe approaching your fishing from a different direction might pay dividends and fishing with 2lb T/C rods 3oz leads and hair rigged boilies or pellets might not be, the be all and end all, of Barbel fishing, I know that’s what they say in the mag’s but they might not always be right?

My gear is usually a light float rod 6lb main line and 0.13 (4lb 12oz ) hook length, I up it a bit if I am trotting near snags but I have rarely used any thing heavier than my Drennan Tench Float Mk III and 8lb hook length.
You probably think this is far too light but I have not lost many from breakages, more from hook pulls when I put too much pressure on to small hooks, a centre pin gives you a definite edge when playing fish, I recon a pin is worth an extra 2lb of line strength especially when you have the line coming off the top.

I expect I will get a load of stick for this but all I am trying to do is offer an alternative to the current dogma, but as a bit of food for thought, I caught this fish in the last week of the season from a Bedfordshire river on a very light 12ft Drennan rod 0.13 hooklength and a size 18 Drennan Super Specialist eyed hook.

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She went 14lb 12oz and she was the most perfect looking big fish I have caught for a long time, I’ve had bigger fish but she was a float caught pb of un-forgettable quality.

Tight Lines Chaps.
 
well done keith, maybe the smaller baits have given you the edge, either way those are some cracking barbel and its nice to see that someone has been doing well regardless of the weather
tight lines
jerry
 
Well done Keith, and thanks for offering some good food for thought early in the close season. You've inspired me to delve into the garage for the stick floats I haven't used in a long while. Come June I will give it a go with my speedia and a Carbonactive power float.
 
I expect I will get a load of stick for this

I can't see why anyone could give you stick for such a great post.

Thanks Keith, glad you had a good season and as with David I'll have to give it bash in the summer.

Just as a matter of interest, how do you feed the maggots/hemp/casters ?
Just loose feed or bait dropper or bit of groundbait ?

Great photos as well. :)
 
Jeese what a paddle! superb!... One question how many pints would you get through on an average session? Its becoming more of a draw to catch one on the float for me having recently started float fishing again.
 
Keith, its great to be encouraged to think outside of the box. We anglers are so very lazy most of the time...

I'd be interested to hear more about quantities/proportions of bait that you use. I cannot afford to feed a gallon of maggots/casters per session but can with hempseed. Also, would this work on deeper slower rivers like the Lower Severn?
 
Keith,

Thanks for the post mate, superb results and for showing the doubters that the fish are still there..........

If you start doing guided days, put my name down for one please, I would love to catch Barbel on the float.........
 
Great post Keith, Last summer on the Wye there was a group of say 50 Barbel using a run on the inside of the river just crying out to have a float run over there heads, I'm kicking myself know for not having what would of been my first crack at a Barbel on the float but deffinately next year. Its something you dont see on the Wye anymore and I for one would would sit and watch for a few hours If ever I did come across someone fishing the stick.
 
Keith,

Well done mate - top angling.

I've actually hardly got out fishing this season, what with the weather and various other commitments, and when I have I've preferred to go for short sessions targeting the chub/roach/dace on a small local river (Foss).

I'd love to be able to do the same and pick up some barbel but am not sure the conditions are the same up here (Yorkshire)?

R.
 
Well done Keith!

Hi Keith,

I truly believe your post to be the most significant on here or anywhere else for that matter for a very long time indeed.

There has been so much doom and gloom talk over the past eighteen months or so, your words come as a refreshing ray of light reminding anglers that barbel fishing is not just about attaching a boilie or pellet to your hook and hoping for the best.

Barbel fishing pre pellet days was never that easy, the expectations of all of us are far greater than they should be and a return to how it used to be is most certainly how its going to be.
Its barely more than twenty years ago when barbel anglers would be happy with a couple of doubles a season, now we expect that every time we go out!

The upshot of the way barbel anglers think these days, because they have just lived through such a distinctive period in barbel history, will mean waters being lost because a little more effort is required.
It is highly likely that those relatively new to barbel fishing may also be lost along the way as reality bites.

Huge subject, the very survival of river fishing is possibly at stake because along with the other multitude of problems we face which have been debated and discussed ad infinitum but without a clear and attainable solution, there are simply fewer and fewer river anglers.
In the past specialist barbel anglers would say thats a good thing but it isn't, barbel anglers make barbel fisheries and the way we are going that's not going to happen any more.

As I said, a big topic that will likely be covered by many writers over the coming months but while reading of how bad its all becoming remember Keith's post because in there you will find some of the answers.

All the best.
 
Great post,

I love float fishing but I'm my own worst enemy for sitting and waiting rather than getting them on the feed with a float. Something that next season has got to change! Thanks for the inspiration.

Cheers
Adam
 
Thanks

Hi Keith,
Thanks for taking the time to put together a great 'post'. Just like alot of Barbel anglers I haven't float fished for years ( over 20 I think ). There's no 'right' method to fish for Barbel just each individuals favourite.
Tight Lines,
Graham.
 
Hi Chaps , its very strange how over the years i evolved into an accomplished match angler , winning matches on the trent by fishing stick float with castor, hemp and bronze maggots , then after the decline in the rivers at the beginning of the nineties i turned to pole fishing on commercials picking up winnings most weeks !
Then something happened that made me return to rivers , it was called pleasure fishing !
and there is nothing more pleasurable than running a stick float down a swim that just screams chub and barbel , I have now returned to my fishing roots and have re-mastered this fine art , as well as learning other skills as well like rolling baits !
I love angling , it has a position in my life second to none ,
I caught my first ever barbel on the Swale at thornton bridge , stick float fishing !
I caught my next dozen at cundall hall on the swale , stick float fishing !

They were the days !

Keith , great post , love reading it and you have reminded me what fishing is all about ,
PLEASURE !!!
 
Keith, quality post, you have opened my eyes to my failures this season, definate vast amounts of food for thought. My fishing will take on a definate, different approach, gone are the lazy, same old tactics, that certainly seem to have had there day on many venues. Thankyou for giving me, and many others a kick in the butt!
peter
 
Well done Keith for reminding us that a rut is something to get out of and not succumb to. Top fishing!!;)

Paul
 
Fantastic post Keith - you've had the season i dream about! :) Made a floatfished barbel one of my targets for the season just past, in that i failed but must admit there was a lack of effort on my part. :( Must try harder! :D
 
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