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How much bait?

Mark Evans 2

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Hi guys,

For those of you who fish the W.Avon, how much bait are putting in?

I'm concentrating my efforts on Barton again this year on the BAA waters. I'm always unsure if to feed very little and move after 30-45mins or sit it out in one swim and feed consistently throughout the session.

To try and keep it simple and not chop and change I'm using the Dynamite baits big river range, the glugged dumbbells and the big bags of mixed size pellets in either meat furter or kril and squid. I also have the Mainline Big River Barbel dumbbells. I don't use ground bait and just loose feed the pellets.
 
Hi guys,

For those of you who fish the W.Avon, how much bait are putting in?

I'm concentrating my efforts on Barton again this year on the BAA waters. I'm always unsure if to feed very little and move after 30-45mins or sit it out in one swim and feed consistently throughout the session.

To try and keep it simple and not chop and change I'm using the Dynamite baits big river range, the glugged dumbbells and the big bags of mixed size pellets in either meat furter or kril and squid. I also have the Mainline Big River Barbel dumbbells. I don't use ground bait and just loose feed the pellets.
I just slide a mesh pva bag down my hook length Mark . Then I'll feed a few loose pellets over the top every now and again or hemp .
Unless there are a lot of barbel present and I'm catching (doesnt happen) then I'll feed more lose offerings . My theory is I don't like using big groundbait feeders as i believe the fish spook off them . I use a long hook link of around 3-4ft as its gin clear . I slide the PVA (bomb) down so the hook is covered by it . This stops it melting and rolling off down steam . Also it leaves a little food parcel right on the hook for any fish to home in on...... Chub love it 😂😂😂
 

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It's just I've read and watched a few Barbel related articles/videos where it's been said a pint of hemp or PVA bags do very little.

Now I'm obviously skeptical if these anglers seem to be trying to sell the bait they are sponsored by but no mention of any brand was present.

The one angler feeds and fishes nothing but boilies, other used large amount of pellets and third uses softened pellets mix balled in.

I guess even the Avon at Barton which is narrow in most places, a PVA bag or a couple of Spopper full of pellets is a tiny amount on the bottom really and anything loose fed I guess doesn't even hit bottom before it's washed away (I watched the guru underwater video on how long various baits take to reach bottom).

Regards any scent trails, I don't feel dry bait like pellets or boilies give off anything substantial in the water and catch us as anglers in the shop more than it does the fish?
 
My pellets are soaked in hemp oil and Mainline big river barbel liquid . I keep them in a big bucket and soak them for months .

I've caught plenty of barbel on my bag approach. No point piling bait in when you don't have lots of fish in the swim . I fish for one bite at a time personally and I move around from swim to swim . At most I may bait drop a couple of small droppers in a swim .

As for scent trails etc .. barbel get caught on single baits a lot .

I think it's more vital to actually find the fish or hot areas than hair application .

All the best 😎🎣🎣
 
Thing is there are not enough Barbel at the moment to shoal and be a feeding frenzie on the feed, also by introducing large amounts we are bringing in unwanted attention from Bream😮
The Wye and middle upper severn are more aligned to carpet bombing I would think. I too use pve bags which gives me confidence.
But above all, DON'T KEEP RECASTING leave it out there the bait and wait article on here is the best advice I believe we can have, I for one need to take that on board.
Also if you are confident you are in the right swim stick it out, they will find you.
I believe solitary barbel that we fish for on the WA, are pretty canny and are very cautious, they don't need to compete for food like shoal barbel.
 
Hi, having fished the W.Avon for nearly 30 years I would say it depends entirely on the situation and conditions, not a great help I know. I will add that I have also fished the 'hard' stretches for the majority of this time, and for good reason, these stretches are quiet. BAA stretches don't typically allow night fishing and the Avon barbel are few and far between, Barton in the summer is low and clear, the barbel hide and avoid all signs of angler presence. Any disturbances just make them hide even longer and they just wait for it to get dark, as do most of the larger specimens of other species also present. My opinion based on my own experiences in these conditions is firstly to avoid the crowds and find somewhere quiet to fish. Secondly, if at all possible find the fish in one of these afore mentioned areas, and if that's not possible then choose a likely looking spot or one with previous form. Thirdly, use bait that lasts a long time in the water, not pellets that have broken down to nothing in an hour, use quality boilies, whole, chopped, but in big enough pieces that they will last for hours and not be eaten by small roach, dace and chub. A good handful is enough if you know it too big to be demolished by 'small fry'. Hook bait needs to be of similar ilk, big enough to avoid nuisance fish and hard enough to last 5-6 hours minimum without going soft (high quality hard hookers will last 12+ hours and still be letting of a strong scent trail when you reel it in). Lastly, cast once, back lead your line as flat to the deck as you can get it, as far from the lead as you can get it, this is very dependant on the specifics of the swim. Now sit back, off the skyline, not on the edge of the bank, and wait until you catch something or its time to go home. I tell myself that every cast reduces your chances of catching a fish, it doesn't increase it. Supple braid is your friend as the fish don't care about it, and it doesn't spook them, it feels like weed or river grass and it sits close to the deck. You need 100% confident in tackle, bait and overall presentation otherwise you'll want to cast again and then again and your chances will diminish. Last of my own learnings on the W.Avon, you are fishing for a single fish and your feeding 1-2 fish (unless your camping somewhere for 24hrs+). This is just my approach to barbel fishing in summer conditions on the W.Avon, largely based on 4-6 hour evening sessions, developed over many years that seems to provide the most consistent of the inconsistent sport which is barbel fishing on the W.Avon. Others will certainly have different ideas and experiences, taking it all in and developing your own style and approach to get results is what makes fishing great. Tight Lines.
 
Hi, having fished the W.Avon for nearly 30 years I would say it depends entirely on the situation and conditions, not a great help I know. I will add that I have also fished the 'hard' stretches for the majority of this time, and for good reason, these stretches are quiet. BAA stretches don't typically allow night fishing and the Avon barbel are few and far between, Barton in the summer is low and clear, the barbel hide and avoid all signs of angler presence. Any disturbances just make them hide even longer and they just wait for it to get dark, as do most of the larger specimens of other species also present. My opinion based on my own experiences in these conditions is firstly to avoid the crowds and find somewhere quiet to fish. Secondly, if at all possible find the fish in one of these afore mentioned areas, and if that's not possible then choose a likely looking spot or one with previous form. Thirdly, use bait that lasts a long time in the water, not pellets that have broken down to nothing in an hour, use quality boilies, whole, chopped, but in big enough pieces that they will last for hours and not be eaten by small roach, dace and chub. A good handful is enough if you know it too big to be demolished by 'small fry'. Hook bait needs to be of similar ilk, big enough to avoid nuisance fish and hard enough to last 5-6 hours minimum without going soft (high quality hard hookers will last 12+ hours and still be letting of a strong scent trail when you reel it in). Lastly, cast once, back lead your line as flat to the deck as you can get it, as far from the lead as you can get it, this is very dependant on the specifics of the swim. Now sit back, off the skyline, not on the edge of the bank, and wait until you catch something or its time to go home. I tell myself that every cast reduces your chances of catching a fish, it doesn't increase it. Supple braid is your friend as the fish don't care about it, and it doesn't spook them, it feels like weed or river grass and it sits close to the deck. You need 100% confident in tackle, bait and overall presentation otherwise you'll want to cast again and then again and your chances will diminish. Last of my own learnings on the W.Avon, you are fishing for a single fish and your feeding 1-2 fish (unless your camping somewhere for 24hrs+). This is just my approach to barbel fishing in summer conditions on the W.Avon, largely based on 4-6 hour evening sessions, developed over many years that seems to provide the most consistent of the inconsistent sport which is barbel fishing on the W.Avon. Others will certainly have different ideas and experiences, taking it all in and developing your own style and approach to get results is what makes fishing great. Tight Lines.
I'm sure that the same approach works on most small to medium rivers.
 
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